I’m interested in seeing what is found by more experimentation and exploration of the quantum level of creation.

Without trying to change the subject too much what if anything do you think about quantum physics, such as the double slit experiment. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4237751840526284618#

I think it’s interesting and supports that there is a Creator, Ruler, or Intelligent Designer as is common to say these days. But it seems like “new agers” are also using things like linked above to push their own understanding or that we are all part of God/gods just by our mere existence. If that is changing the subjt I apologize. I am not well versed in Science much less quantum physics LOL.

2. The creation account itself in Genesis itself does not mention any stretching of time or space. But, no details are given because that is not the purpose of Scripture. It is not a book of the details of creation. It is a collection of books revealing God progressively to man and how to get back to right relationship with God, through Christ. Those who are trying to use Scripture to contend with scientific evidence are mistaken. They are misusing Scripture – using it for another purpose than what God intended it for.

Consider that even all Jesus did and said is not mentioned in the “Gospel accounts,” as John tells us such would fill the whole world with books. The Roman Catholic Church made this same mistake of trying to take metaphorical language about the “four corners of the Earth” to dogmatically believe the world to be flat. How foolish the RCC looked when modern Western man finally explored the whole Earth around and found it to be spherical. They likewise used to dogmatically believed the Earth to be the center of the Universe with all the heavenly bodies revolving around it. They got this idea from their incorrect interpretation of what Scripture says about creation. They were again proven wrong and looked foolish before the whole world.

When Christians do this, it discredits faith based on Scripture because the unbelieving world takes the official statements of Christianity on subjects like this and compares it to the evidence observed in creation, and when they do not agree, people decide Christianity must be false because The Bible is seen as false.

In truth, Scripture is not wrong on these subjects and never was. Scripture doesn’t make a doctrine of the Earth being flat. It does not make a doctrine of the position of Earth relative to the rest of the Universe, and it does not state the age of the Universe or Earth.

3. The very beginning of the account in the book of Genesis tells us that the Earth was, then became desolate and empty (presumed to be by destruction based on other Scripture references), and THEN the creation on Earth for mankind as we know it was made, approx. 6-10k years ago. That agrees with the evidence. Civilization of mankind suddenly springs up in the fossil record 6-10k years ago. Adam’s race was not here before. However, long before Adam, the fossil record existed and shows ample evidence of much before Adam, and thus long before the flood Noah went through.

Whether dinosaurs walked the Earth in any quantity since Adam was placed on Earth is irrelevant. I prefer to let the fossil record speak on that as we explore it, rather than being dogmatic religiously about it, as Scripture does not state that dinosaurs walked the Earth in the time of modern man (the race of Adam). The animals described in Job are not necessarily dinosaurs or even reptilian. Christians may assume such, but they have no scriptural proof.

4. Creation is upheld by the Word of God, while Scripture does not contain information on everything. Scripture has a specific purpose within creation for mankind. Thus, if we explore creation, we are actually further exploring and getting to know the Word of God. When believers ignore the evidence in creation in favor of religious dogma, they are not actually doing the Word service as they usually think. The Word is perfectly holding together everything whether believed or not, explored or not, agreed with or not.

Thus, when we find through observation that the moon, sun, and stars are not all orbiting the Earth, only the moon is, but the Earth actually orbits the sun, like possible other planets may orbit the other stars, we are actually discovering how the Word positioned things. If our former understanding based on what we thought Scripture inferred is different, we should go with the observation of creation itself, not faulty interpretation of religious minds.

The forms of Christianity that refuse this will continue to lose credibility with the intelligent and educated people of the world as mankind discovers more of creation and that Christianity continues to argue against such based on metaphorical or unclear (not detailed) statements of Scripture.

5. The flood did not deposit all of the tremendous amounts of fossil layers. We know this because the layers go in chronological order, as proven by numerous experiments on the organic items found in those different layers. Whether things like carbon dating are accurate or not is irrelevant because even if the dating is off, it will still show chronological order. That is, say it says one layer is 100,000 years old while another is 1,000,000 years old. It could be off by tens of thousands of years, but it still shows that one is older than the other, and that the deeper one goes in the same area on Earth, the older the samples date.

I fully believe in the flood account of Scripture, and further proof of it is found in the fact that all major ancient civilizations had a flood account, as they were all descended from Noah as Scripture says, and the flood story was passed down orally from generation to generation. Though they spread out around the world, some even finding their way to the Americas long before Columbus and the like, they all kept a story of a great flood.

That has nothing to do, however, with whether the Earth is old or young. It was simply one event of many in the long history of Earth. Ice core samples and other evidence on Earth shows that many major destruction events and even ice ages have happened on Earth. The flood event compared to the entire history of Earth as observed through such records is like a spec. Since it was only a year long in total effect, it is no wonder that the great flood does not show up as clearly in the fossil and ice core records like other major things like an ice age which lasted hundreds if not thousands of years.

Again, we can either stick to religious dogma, stubbornly, though Scripture doesn’t speak dogmatically on the details of these subjects, or we can go with what actually exists in creation that man observes, understanding such to be upheld and as is because of the Word of God. We can either witness to scientists and other intelligent, educated people concerning what their discovery is really of (the Word, not just material Universe), or we can contradict their findings without evidence of our own, making us look foolish and leaving us discredited in their eyes, so they will not listen to us about our faith.

Each believer will need to make their choice on this.

according to my understanding, i think that Scripturally, the world itself was made about 6,000 years ago, or so. Yah started making things from a sphere of water, and this sphere eventually became the earth that we know, but He also started to expand the water outward, and in the outer part of the water He made the stars and the planets and galaxies. Scripture repeatedly tells us that He “stretched” the heavens. according to the findings of science, if the “fabric” of space is stretched, then time is stretched, as well. this is known as the space/time continuum. if you do something to one, you do something to the other. they are linked. so to stretch the heavens would also mean that He stretched time, or drew it out. but not on earth. we know that the earth and all living things were created in six literal days. but when He stretched the heavens, in which were contained the stars and planets and galaxies, that He was effectively stretching time, allowing for the actual passage of possibly millions of years in regards to the things in space. that is why the details of our solar system point to a very young creation, and the further you get out into space, the details point to an old, falling apart creation. this has puzzled scientists, and they of course don’t go with the young creation theory.

so in reality, ALL creation was made about 6,000 years ago, and so the earth is really that old, but the objects out in deep space have actually aged millions of years (possibly billions), making the earth (and our universe), from which all was made, younger than the other objects in the outer reaches of space. it can kinda boggle the mind, but it works scientifically. basically it is incorporating the theory of relativity, if you are familiar with that. it shows that the Scripture’s witness of creation is perfectly in line with what science understands in regards to relativitiy.

that said, i DON’T believe in evolution at all. man was made, and dinosaurs were right there with him. he named them initially, and he may even have used them for farming/work/building, as some ancient engravings show man and dinosaur together — even man riding them! they were taken onto the ark of Noach — almost assuredly the very young ones, as would have been the case for all the animals taken aboard.

due to the destruction of the Flood, however, and the Scripturally unclean nature of the dinosaurs, only two pairs of each were taken aboard, so if any died out afterwards, it would be the end of that particular species. also, the environment of the world was very likely much different before the Flood, with much higher levels of oxygen, allowing for the massive growth of animals, plants, and man. do to the decrease in oxygen, such animals would have a more difficult time breathing in the newer atmosphere, being relegated to living in lush tropical areas with a more pervasive level of oxygen and environment. much of the modern-day sitings of dinosaurs on this planet actually are in these types of places.